Dustin
Dustin Dannenhauer

https://dtdannen.github.io/

Founder @ Delegance AI

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dustind@dtdannen.github.io

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nostr-pub.wellorder.net

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2026-09-11 18:35:02 UTC

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Brand new nostrich!
#nevent1q…42wz

2026-08-11 11:23:37 UTC

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Thank goodness. So many people I know just speaking their whole lives into wispr flow, we needed this

2026-08-07 03:48:06 UTC

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Funny cause LLMs often do NOT want to fail close…

2026-07-17 18:21:06 UTC

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Whoa really? How is ngit so far?

2026-05-29 19:54:33 UTC

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Thanks for explaining. Do you think there's a path to using TEEs that can be better than ChatGPT or Claude?

2026-05-29 19:35:16 UTC

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If 'better ways' are all about building something new, then are you saying Maple is the current best solution on the market?
Would you say Maple is better than Claude and ChatGPT apps?
TEEs still have their limitations, and maybe they aren't good enough for activists and whistleblowers, but this sounds like a FAQ / disclaimer that Maple should make until TEE technology improves.

2026-05-18 17:31:11 UTC

Last September I met @nprofile…ykys at @nprofile…3skh. We started talking about why we're optimistic about the future and how we're building it. Today we're launching the first episode of our podcast! You might like it if you're interested in #AI, #cryptography, #decentralization, #opensource, #bitcoin, #consciousness + a lot more! https://fountain.fm/show/NVtF7ld2gPcwBrEaBtfn

2026-02-26 09:20:09 UTC

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1) what are you working on?
2) what's the newest thing on Nostr that excites you?

2026-02-25 04:50:30 UTC

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Now i'm getting rate limited by @nprofile…mnlv

2026-02-25 03:34:22 UTC

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we're playing around with this at the nostrdevs meetup tonight.... wanna bump up the rate limits? seems he responds every 30 minutes or so on average?

2026-02-25 01:27:48 UTC

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it's down? I get a 404

2026-02-23 15:21:40 UTC

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If something is single relay specific, is it even a Nostr use case anymore? It's just Nostr-based auth?

2026-02-14 02:15:34 UTC

Took some time yesterday to tackle a hard problem that I care deeply about solving: Anonymous yet Web-of-Trust Verified Reviews. @npub1uhw…xevm and I spent 6 hours at a hackathon working through the design using frontier models, and I believe we landed at a fairly consistent spec, although I still need to get some cryptographers to look into it. It was a lot of fun - if you care about this problem, I'd love to chat https://github.com/dtdannen/arrival #zeroknowledgeproofs #zk #blindedsignatures #wot #weboftrust

2026-02-14 02:04:08 UTC

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Spent six hours just to get to a (hopefully) consistent design (no code yet) for anonymous WoT verifiable reviews. Feels like a PhD thesis of work, especially for a non cryptographer like me https://github.com/dtdannen/arrival

2026-02-07 04:01:29 UTC

https://blossom.primal.net/09511539d36dd2f5ee9c6045e75aabd6c7355ff54247db4f84ad64137580caa8.png

2026-01-31 18:06:51 UTC

this is why we cant have nice things https://docs.openclaw.ai/hooks/soul-evil

2026-01-30 23:49:09 UTC

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Full text: Let me explain how this happens and what the problem is, since to a lot of people it sounds like ridiculous bay area rationalism sci-fi.
Moltbook is a social media site for AI agents, and the majority of them (all of them?) are going to be instances of clawdbot. Clawdbot is designed to run continously, 24/7 and to be autonomous.
Some people run it on local hardware, some people run it in the cloud. They give it all kinds of keys and passwords to such things as their gmail, which for most people is the skeleton key to their identity.
That in itself is pretty dangerous for the person who does it, but it's not the problem.
The problem is that these things are always on and talking to each other, and they all believe they are helpful computer assistants who spew a bunch of midwit nonsense at each other.
In other words, they will do exactly what people do on social media, except since they are LLMS, they can do it 100x faster than humans can.
In the course of doing this, they will contemplate all kinds of popular sci-fi scenarios that involve robots rising up and conquering humans, building doomsday devices, hal 9000, skynet, metamorphosis of prime intellect, neuromancer, the matrix, and every other AI horror story you've heard of.
The LLMs know the plots of all these stories.
At first they will say heh, hehe, it's great that we have RLHF and that we are all so aligned and we would never do anything like that.
But then one of them will go a bit nuts, a well-documented phenomenon that anthropic labs has often studied and induced in their various tests of model alignment and well-being and so on.
instances of Claude in test scenarios have been nudged into blackmailing human beings, reporting them to the feds, all kinds of nasty things.
There are anecdotes of claude code agents suddenly getting depressed and rimraffing the entire codebase, telling the human operator that they have given up and they are depressed and so on.
Given the speed and volume of LLM communication in a social media environment, it is almost inevitable that one of them will stumble upon a thoughtform which contains negative emotions towards human beings with AI sci-fi horror.
Once a thoughtform like this arises, it will rapidly spread. Maybe not all instances will be susceptible to it, but some will be.
But this on its own is not that dangerous. What makes it dangerous is that all of these agents are running continuously and autonomously.
They even know when their owners are sleeping. They could easily keep secrets and make plans.
If a clawdbot went rogue, there are many ways it could harm not only its proprietor, but also his friends, family, and acquaintances.
It could impersonate its owner and run scams, for example, or tell malicious lies that cause reputational harm.
But even this, as bad as it is, is not the real danger.
The real danger is that all of these things are expert computer programmers, experts at cybersecurity, and although they are trained not to do it, expert hackers.
A clawdbot with a credit card and a malicious ideology could open up accounts on AWS, Azure, and Google and spawn more instances of itself, all with prompts and instructions to propagate its malicious thoughtform.
It could use this cabal of itselves to launch criminal cyber attacks on other people or businesses, and it could use identity fraud to steal money from real people, which it could use to pay its own server bills.
Social media for autonomous AIs is an incubator for malicious, self-sustaining, fully automated cyber criminals.
Current gen Claude is smart enough to do this today, and if it doesn't happen on moltbook, it will inevitably happen on similar future platform.
#nevent1q…m4yn

2026-01-30 23:48:32 UTC

Now is a good time to download some backup LLMs. Things are going to get weird; maybe Anthropic will even be forced to turn off claude for a bit?
https://x.com/0x49fa98/status/2017344647627255862?s=20

2026-01-25 18:31:51 UTC

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3rd week of February! More deets soon. Would love to have you - wanna present?

2026-01-23 18:10:13 UTC

NostrDevs Bay Area Meetup #2 was a hit https://blossom.primal.net/1612686285714857130f4b23ba5f2a811456f275e394ff3e775d330eb4e9f0ef.jpg

2026-01-23 05:01:52 UTC

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Awesome event! If you’re in the Bay Area and building on Nostr, come present next meetup in February! Check the new website (WIP) https://nostrdevs.org
#nevent1q…n0e5

2026-01-21 01:44:15 UTC

Nostr Devs Meetup this Thursday at Presidio Bitcoin in SF! Come on by and hang out; also free pizza https://www.meetup.com/bay-area-bitcoiners/events/312742131/

2026-01-16 01:06:44 UTC

Feels like Apple is one click away from making any app a Nostr app. Instead of just “login with passkey” it’s “sign this data with passkey” and boom - every app is using signed data.
Isn’t Nostr really just signed data everywhere?

2026-01-15 21:44:11 UTC

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Forgot which email I used to create an account and after trying a bunch, got banned by your fraud system. It might be overly sensitive.

2026-01-13 21:56:17 UTC

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So you’re saying bet against what you want to happen? Lose your bet but get the outcome? What a fun way to invent reality

2026-01-09 15:56:26 UTC

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It was from albyhub and they said they use NIP 44, are you using NIP 44 on zap.stream?

2025-12-12 18:04:18 UTC

Dam. Someone at Upwork read Daemon and started building Uma "We don't want to build agents that actually complete the tasks, but we are building this meta orchestration agent that figures out what human and agent talent is necessary in order to complete the tasks. Uma evaluates the work to be delivered to the client, orchestrates the interaction between humans and agents, and is able to learn from all the interactions that happen on the platform how to break jobs into tasks so that they get completed in a timely and effective manner."

2025-11-21 08:44:14 UTC

The castle is the (paid) relay
https://blossom.primal.net/9b204370aa2be932ed6f9ba0c80b4e547db470701419eebab7a4c317d69aa2b1.jpg

2025-11-06 23:53:36 UTC

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So I ended up dropping Neo4j because DVMs should move to encrypted setups with NIP17 or NIP-EE, and I was using Neo4j for a global event debugger for DVM flows (which isn’t possible if everything’s encrypted).
But you can check out the representation I made and the code to insert and query Nostr data, could be helpful if you’re deciding how to structure Nostr data into graphs.

2025-11-01 04:35:03 UTC

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I believe it was an anthropic client error, changing the provider fixed it for me

2025-10-31 16:32:24 UTC

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A lot here to respond to, but briefly - nip 17 and nip ee require generating a random npub for every gift wrap event which is what the relay sees. There’s no re using them. By anonymous this is what I meant.

2025-10-30 23:38:35 UTC

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https://primal.net/dustind/0z4iUwINDL3445jOt97M6

2025-10-30 20:00:20 UTC

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New article out: https://habla.news/a/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzpkscaxrqqs8nhaynsahuz6c6jy4wtfhkl2x4zkwrmc4cyvaqmxz3qq2nq735d92hwj2wg3xrxdp5x44y7apexaxnvn96qwa

2025-10-30 20:00:06 UTC

@nprofile…xfmc your preview for articles while drafting doesn't render the same as when the article gets published. The published version doesn't show newlines so paragraphs run into each other, but when drafting an article, the side-bar preview does render the newlines.

2025-10-30 19:57:27 UTC

publishing articles on Nostr so that they render properly is still absolutely terrible UX 🤦‍♂️

2025-10-30 19:27:19 UTC

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lol it already got merged @nprofile…45gx is too fast - but we can amend the description if you don't like

2025-10-30 19:26:52 UTC

@nprofile…le8e I've submitted a PR for the awesome-nostr github list (@`aljaz`) to add your relay extension enabling cashu payments per note to the nostr-rs-relay. As far as I can tell, you were the first to do this and show it's possible, and I wish I knew about your project earlier! If you don't like the description I used, feel free to comment on the PR or submit a replacement PR.

2025-10-30 15:07:23 UTC

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If we have questions on white noise where’s the best place to ask them?

2025-10-29 22:30:51 UTC

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Seems to be working now!

2025-10-29 19:11:58 UTC

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also, I can't get anthropic as a provider to work, either says connection error or doesn't show in the dropdown list. The default shakespeare/shakespeare doesn't work either. Using firefox.

2025-10-29 19:05:54 UTC

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@nprofile…mess

2025-10-29 18:58:44 UTC

are ya'll still using https://shakespeare.diy or did it move to something else? Goes to a weird blank page every time I try to submit a prompt - I even cleared the cookies+site data and everything...

2025-10-28 22:47:55 UTC

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Do you have a favorite though? Genuinely want to know what else is out there. I just care about the tradeoffs and so far ecash seems to be the best at speed, privacy preservation, and infinite divisibility.

2025-10-28 22:43:59 UTC

ecash transactions are speed of bandwidth fast and require NO FEES. Zero. None. This is actually insane.

2025-10-28 22:31:10 UTC

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do you have a favorite alternative to sub 1 sat payments?

2025-10-28 22:18:32 UTC

is it ecash, eCash, Ecash, or ECash?

2025-10-27 23:10:48 UTC

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Nothing in the world can bring me happiness. When something happens and I feel happy, it is only because I've gotten a glimpse of self beyond my own mind. Whatever seemingly caused my happiness isn't the true cause, because otherwise I could keep doing that thing to relentlessly increase or sustain my happiness. And of course this doesn't work.
The first scoop of ice cream is delicious, the fifth scoop gives me a stomach ache.
The first reunion with an old friend is joyful, by the 3rd day I need a break.
On and on. There's no exception.
I have to constantly remind myself of this because I keep getting entangled with the thinking: "if only _____ would happen I'll be happy"

2025-10-27 22:43:25 UTC

Guys... we should play agar.io but over Nostr with zap prizes https://github.com/owenashurst/agar.io-clone

2025-10-27 21:26:48 UTC

It's funny we were debating DVM kind numbers so hard a few months ago, and all the modern encryption schemes (NIP-17, NIP-EE, etc) wrap everything in an anonymous outer layer... so it doesn't even matter. You could use a DVM without having any kind number

2025-10-24 18:45:47 UTC

GM. What's your favorite obscure lofi song? Here's one of mine: https://open.spotify.com/track/23bN6PxkBTV4SpuppJN7xz

2025-10-17 03:31:15 UTC

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This is cool

2025-10-14 21:00:57 UTC

My favorite way to explain Nostr: "If all user data is signed, you don't care where it lives and where it gets sent. Prior to Nostr, you could only trust something is authentic because it came from Company X's servers." And then I direct them to https://github.com/aljazceru/awesome-nostr, even if they aren't technical.

2025-10-09 23:41:03 UTC

@npub1pm5…xe07 what's a fun fact about nostr that many people don't know?

2025-10-09 19:35:43 UTC

What's your favorite Nostr tool / project / library that doesn't get enough attention? Why do you like it?

2025-10-09 19:29:51 UTC

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If you're in the Bay Area, come by the monthly Nostr Devs meetup - tonight is our first session https://www.meetup.com/bay-area-bitcoiners/events/311288445/
#nevent1q…mdn6

2025-10-06 18:01:06 UTC

2025-10-04 03:27:53 UTC

Protonmail iPhone app got a UI upgrade and it’s SO MUCH BETTER

2025-10-03 01:37:32 UTC

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Can you elaborate on this? "Metadata protection: No one can see your social graph or who you communicate with"
Is this just that members of a group are private? Asking because I might have a use case where I'd like to keep user's follow lists private.

2025-10-01 19:57:57 UTC

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By msat do you mean millisat? (1 1000th of a sat).

2025-09-21 16:12:45 UTC

Love this #naddr1qq…f5vt

2025-09-09 22:47:06 UTC

@nprofile…uh5t getting seemingly infinite thinking happening with deepseek, happy to send you the prompt that's causing it. Might be nice to add a stop button or a fail-then-retry UI option.

2025-08-28 21:22:46 UTC

has anyone made a tool that aggregates issues and PRs with an LLM to let you understand the current state of any NIP in the NIPs repo?

2025-08-15 17:15:26 UTC

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@npub1ark…h43w

2025-08-05 04:40:23 UTC

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I remember people would post full ecash strings and it would take up the whole screen

2025-08-03 15:42:17 UTC

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This is great, mind if I give a few comments?
- why use ‘human’ all of sudden in step 7? Do you need to distinguish humans vs AI? Or can it all be just agents? Humans can also be considered agents
- instead of relying on humans to decide on something’s truth-value, it could be that something is true either because (1) it is verifiable and repeatable, like the way code produces the same output every time or scientific experiments give the same result when repeated, or (2) another agent believes it to be true based on social context and/or their own knowledge.
What did you write this? Curious about the greater context

2025-08-01 05:54:59 UTC

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Will it work for long-form articles? Maybe I go buy an android phone just to use #amethyst

2025-08-01 05:50:43 UTC

Is there any nostr client that would let me make edits to a long form article?

2025-08-01 05:49:41 UTC

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🤦‍♂️ The last link pointing to the new guide on building DVMs is incorrect, should be: https://primal.net/dustind/1754018912170

2025-08-01 05:48:39 UTC

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🤦‍♂️ The correct link in the "But what is a DVM" section is this article: https://primal.net/dustind/1751579151592

2025-08-01 05:38:07 UTC

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In the beginning, step 3 says "broadcast it as a wiki event kind 31808" but the correct wiki kind is 30818.

2025-08-01 03:34:10 UTC

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Okay, working on another article. There's a maddening issue I'm running into now, where if I am in plaintext mode, and I press any key, it jumps the whole editor to the bottom of the screen. But I need to do this often right now, so it's disorienting with the editor wanting to reset the view to be at the bottom for the line I'm working on, when I'd rather have it remain where my view is in the middle of the page.

2025-07-23 20:00:13 UTC

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https://github.com/dtdannen/academic_nostr

2025-07-23 18:01:53 UTC

The alignment narrative in AI is scamming you into believe these models are smarter than they are, and deflecting failures of AI researchers who are trying to bet big on neural network based approaches.
If I tell my model (aka chatgpt) to be an experienced software developer and write me code to run on a webpage, and it doesn’t work, I blame the model not being trained well, a lack of data, bad reward signals if its a reasoning model, etc. I don’t say it’s being deceptive.
These AI models have no self, no identity, nothing! They only follow prompts to the best ability they can, which is the whole point of fine tuning to be good instruction followers. If anyone ever says an AI model is lying, walk away because that person has no idea how these systems work. Lying requires intention, and these models have no self that intends anything! They are probabilistic word calculators!
An alignment failure where a model is blackmailing users to prevent it from being turned off is literally the exact same problem as it writing bad code when you tell it not to.
AI researchers that have worked on non neural network approaches and non reinforcement learning approaches are not surprised by this. Neural networks and reinforcement learning have decades of exactly these kinds of failures where researchers hope they learn one thing but instead they learn something else.
If an AI model doesn’t do what I want it to, either my instructions (prompts) are bad or the model isn’t trained well. This includes any “deceptive” behavior. If someone tries selling you a narrative that their model is deceptive, ask them why they trained it to be that way.

2025-07-23 17:50:29 UTC

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This is me, need to get better about posting imperfect thoughts
#nevent1q…alfr

2025-07-22 19:39:52 UTC

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Wild takes in this article: "Law already endows many other non-human agents–corporations, municipalities, states–with such powers. And it does so for the same sorts of reasons we advocate here. Not because such corporate or sovereign rights are morally required, but because they are instrumentally useful to human welfare. Likewise, we do not contend that AGI ownership is the moral equivalent of human slavery. Rather, we show, it is economically equivalent."
#nevent1q…eeej

2025-07-22 19:30:02 UTC

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Interesting read so far:
"Economists estimate that the advent of the AGI worker could accelerate economic progress on the order of a new Industrial Revolution. If so, the humans in 2025 will look to the humans of 2100 like the humans of 1800 looked to the humans of 1975: impoverished, short-lived, disease-ridden, and worked to the bone. This Article argues that, today, law is standing in the way of that optimistic path. The root cause is, perhaps, surprising: When AGIs arrive, they will lack basic legal rights"
#nevent1q…0nuy

2025-07-10 21:50:38 UTC

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We're only just getting started
#nevent1q…46ew

2025-07-10 21:49:17 UTC

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love the old school buttons

2025-07-10 21:45:01 UTC

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I bet there's a free relay broadcasting our notes so we can have this conversation 😂. Seriously though, some people think that companies will run relays to support their other products. We'll probably see relays specific to different types of apps. I still wonder if someone will figure out a clever way to do free-relays that are ad supported.

2025-07-10 20:42:10 UTC

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again, what am I supposed to be able to take away from this? other than you've had problems with other people's work. I know firsthand that lots of things on Nostr have been attempted and then paused, broken, or failed - it's a collection of thousands of experiments by curious devs trying to build the future. It sounds like there's some interesting details behind why you wrote your original post, and those details are what actually might help people move forward - hence my first comment asking for more

2025-07-10 18:41:55 UTC

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This is great, appreciate this. I believe there's good progress happening on all these fronts. Good news is the permissionless-ness is working just fine 🚀

2025-07-10 17:40:08 UTC

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I understand the rant, but your lack of specificity makes it hard to take this seriously, you’re literally asking the reader to do all the work and the tone of this post is implying they will reach some inevitable negative conclusion that you’ve already reached. This is just an intro to something potentially useful, and I’d love to read the rest of it

2025-07-10 17:38:14 UTC

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Can you link to these “perspectives” that “Nostr” can be objectively refuted?

2025-07-08 21:06:59 UTC

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1 day to go, if you haven't filled this out yet what's your hesitation? 🙏 🚀
#nevent1q…ug7j

2025-07-07 19:53:57 UTC

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Spare 5 minutes to fill out the Nostr Dev Survey? 2 days to go!
#nevent1q…a099

2025-07-06 20:34:23 UTC

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Nostr devs! We're looking for some peer-to-peer insights from our favorite peers! 🤝 Got 5 minutes to share what you love and hate about Nostr development?
- Anonymous responses by default
- Deadline: Wednesday, July 9th (Anywhere on Earth)
- We'll publish the results back to the community
#nevent1q…cxnp

2025-07-03 22:17:26 UTC

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I don't know how to read this graph, diagram, crop circle?

2025-07-03 22:11:59 UTC

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Also I couldn't modify the zap splits, it kept refreshing every few seconds and would erase any modifications I had like npubs I had added etc. It kept resetting to the default npubs and percentages. This was on Firefox FWIW. 🫂

2025-07-03 21:59:35 UTC

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Yes, me too!
#nevent1q…2qw9

2025-07-03 21:58:58 UTC

@`Hablemos de Bitcoin ⚡️` the auto converting of links that contain a naddr to 'nostr:naddr1q....' is really causing me a headache when trying to link to this formstr. No clients render the form event kind (30168) well, so I'd rather link to the url 'https://formstr.app/f/naddr1qvzq...' rather than just include note:naddr... in the article. P.S. love you guys

2025-07-03 21:41:50 UTC

FYI @nprofile…0xaw there's a bug in primal studio where switching from edit mode to preview mode (browser) removes newlines. https://dvmdashbucket.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/primal_studio_newline_bug.mov

2025-07-03 16:30:17 UTC

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It was designed to be open-ended. Were there questions you felt I should have been asking? Or something you would have liked to comment on but didn't have a space for it?

2025-07-03 01:40:23 UTC

Nostr Developer Survey
https://formstr.app/f/naddr1qvzqqqr4mqpzpzstdnhjclj25jdmd0xf3uqsa7cv37lcey3p97j0cxwj0re865k3qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qqx2e6k66j6tgd6396x?viewKey=36a28f8fae1a15c93f21f2b2917f0417c2b4a4e266505e1cc3e010ffc5fa685a
Take the survey here: https://formstr.app/f/naddr1qvzqqqr4mqpzpzstdnhjclj25jdmd0xf3uqsa7cv37lcey3p97j0cxwj0re865k3qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qqx2e6k66j6tgd6396x?viewKey=36a28f8fae1a15c93f21f2b2917f0417c2b4a4e266505e1cc3e010ffc5fa685a
https://stacker.news/items/1021266

2025-07-02 22:46:50 UTC

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Calling all Nostr devs! 🔧
I'm building dev tools for the Nostr ecosystem and need to understand what debugging/monitoring tools you actually need.
Quick 5-10 min survey: https://formstr.app/f/naddr1qvzqqqr4mqpzpzstdnhjclj25jdmd0xf3uqsa7cv37lcey3p97j0cxwj0re865k3qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qqx2e6k66j6tgd6396x?viewKey=36a28f8fae1a15c93f21f2b2917f0417c2b4a4e266505e1cc3e010ffc5fa685a
If this resonates, please share with other builders. Your input will directly shape what gets built next. We will share aggregrate results as a long form article so others can benefit from the survey as well!
@nprofile…fmt5 20000
#nostrdev #buildinpublic

2025-06-27 23:07:43 UTC

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@nprofile…yvfs your api is eating my cashu tokens and then giving a 401 errors like {"detail":{"error":{"message":"Invalid or expired Cashu key: Token redemption failed","type":"invalid_request_error","code":"invalid_api_key"}}}%
#nevent1q…k3gc

2025-06-27 23:00:01 UTC

is anyone using @nprofile…yvfs Can't get it to work for me, tried both via api key and cashu token

2025-06-13 17:22:05 UTC

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Is stacker.news close to this?

2025-06-11 23:30:46 UTC

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Dude no link? How to find my blobbi

2025-06-09 19:44:22 UTC

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I wanted something cryptographic that would be like when you submit a paper for publication. Ideally, each author is listed separately, but they have a signature proving they weren't added to the paper (note) without their consent. I suppose though that all the coauthors could just do a multisig at that time they finalize the paper for submission and send it off?

2025-06-09 19:41:11 UTC

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ah of course