This would be no different to an ISP? ISP can absolutely see tor traffic so this only stands if for some reason your ISP is retarded? Which in the US is likely to be one of 4-5 major companies, all of which have state-of-the-art traffic detection for their ad's business. And we cannot simply forget about Room 641A.
A primary (and my opinion only) purpose of a VPN is to shield traffic from your ISP, which has the added benefit of hiding your physical location from servers. Because ISPs publish your IPaddress location information for legal reasons, and because they get advert money from it.
Then, you must vet your VPN the same way we don't trust our ISPs because we simply shifted the watching to the VPN opposed to our ISP. However the VPN provider has been proven to be much less likely NOT to share your traffic information NOR your personally identifiable information on the public internet to find in milliseconds like ISPs do.
> Tor only carries TCP, so UDP based WireGuard/OpenVPN won't tunnel over it without special config.
Don't think this is true at all. Tor works just fine being tunneled over wireguard out of the box ime. So not sure which setting people are leaving off that breaks this.
If were worried about the alphabet bois none of these are a solution, and I would consider them equally a problem. Tor traffic is identifiable, and can be time-correlated well enough by the alphabet bois that you're pretty boned using tor at all if they care enough about you.
ChipTuner
npub1qd…3fqm7
2026-09-13 16:43:25 UTC
in reply to nevent1q…8nxg
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