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Weatherall on Nostr: these conversations are next to impossible to be held over social media. that should ...

these conversations are next to impossible to be held over social media.

that should be obvious.

also, you are not in any position to "judge" what southern israelite has to say because you took ten minutes and did a search to find some dirt.

try spending some hours listening to him debate the "christians" - WITHOUT your rigidity blinder goggles on - and you will find that THEY ALL do not act in good faith and not once, that I have seen or heard, has SI been found wanting in a debate against them, orthodox, catholic, baptist - NOT ONE.

What the "christians" do to him there is what they do to me here, BLOCK and DELETE and refuse to address the content - in my case its LEARNING the #law and the REQUIREMENT of chistians to do so... NOT ONE OF THEM HAS ADDRESSED IT! That shows me who these people who call themselves christians are, or are choosing to be, when it gets down to it - cowards and hypocrites more obsessed with the fact that I shouted "nigger" too many times than they are with the substance.

wrestle with that honestly and I might have reason to treat you with some more time.

otherwise there is really no point... as we are already talking past eachother.

Christ's "church" is INVISIBLE and not some corrupt, wealth-flaunting, massive gaudy cathedral building institution in bed with the crumbled remnants of socialist communist gevernments in the east or transsexual materialist multicultural crony-capitalistic governments of the west... with a bunch of members living out their individualistic metaphysical fantasies while their nations crumble and God floods their childrens inheritience with aliens and strange gods... He doesnt do that to people who havent turned their back on Him.

Im also not interested in arguing with you - if you think you found the way go for it. I am talking to those still embued with a spirit of wonder and respect for the mystery anyway... And btw, I do not reject that either the Catholic church or the Orthodox church are entirely absent of a quality or a purpose... so dont get your panties in a wad, alright.

I said what I said. And there is, at the very least, some truth to it... Or I burn in hell (or is it Hades - oh fuck it who cares right!?) I guess...

Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope (c. 1382)
“For the true rock upon which Christ built His church is not a man’s name, nor a priestly order, but the confession of faith that ‘Jesus is the Son of God.’ Yet the Pope and his followers have taken this passage and made a man—Peter—into a throne, and by that pretence have bound the whole people to the authority of a single mortal.”

De Ecclesia (c. 1379), Chapter 12
“The rock spoken of in the Gospel is the Word of God, the faith of the elect, not the flesh of a Roman priest. When men say that the Pope is the rock, they confuse the spiritual head with a human head, and thereby justify the oppression of the poor and the taking of money for indulgences.”

The Parable of the Sower (c. 1380), Sermon 9
“Christ gave us a rock that cannot be moved, the truth of the Gospel, which lives in each believer’s heart. Yet the prelates claim that the stone is the stone‑seat of Peter, and they seal it with gold and jewels, turning the people into serfs of the Roman See.”

Letter to the English Parliament (1382)
“If the Pope, who pretends to be the rock, should be stripped of his claim, the people would see that the Church of Christ is the invisible fellowship of believers. The present visible church is but a sham built on a false reading of Scripture.”

Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (c. 1380)
“‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church’—the rock is the faith that Christ is The Redeemer. The Pope’s claim that his office is that rock perverts the Gospel and binds the faithful to a human chain.”

church: Greek root skkinoia (toward the letters, called-out [ones]: summoned and impaneled = subpoenaed ones; hence, summoned under penalty for failure to respond). This is the first New-Testament occurrence of this Greek word translated church.

thou art Peter, and upon this rock. Jesus Christ, to impress His point upon His hearers, plays between the Greek name Пєтрос (Peter), the Hebrew word xxxx (pronounced petra), and this Hebrew word's transliteration into Greek летра. First, the Greek name Петрос (Peter) denotes a detached and loose rock, a rolling rock, rolling stone. Second, the Hebrew word xxxx (pronounced petra), denotes a firstling, the first opening of the vagina matrix in childbirth or of the mouth in confession. Third, the Greek word летра denotes that which the geologist calls country or native rock, an in situ monolith, bedrock. Hence, three understandings are here possible and all three are intended: (1) firstborn (Jesus Christ), (2) first bursting forth of the mouth (Peter's just-uttered confession), (3) a monolith of native country-rock. In all three cases, the resulting meaning is the same: Peter is not the focus; Jesus Christ in our acknowledgement of His true identity is the focus:

You are Rollingstone, and upon this confession burst forth of who I am, that is, upon me, I will build my church.

In all events, it is grammatically impossible to equate the man Peter with the word rock because even though the Greek conjunction aı (and) falls between the two, the two words are written in different case forms: Peter (Петроб) in the nominative and rock (лєтра) in the dative. Of note, Rome falsely stresses Matthew 16:18 and the primacy of Peter coupled with his confession because these are useful to justify Rome's priesthood and power, as though the church of which Jesus Christ here speaks is the Roman pope's priesthood.

As is said, The crowbar of Roman law found its fulcrum on Vatican Hill. And Rome's false interpretation of this verse 18 is the pry bar. The arrogations of Boniface VIII were according to that monstrous system of the bull Unam Sanctam, issued in 1302 A.D., wherein Boniface decreed: He who denies that the secular sword is the power of Peter does not understand the words of the LORD. The power of Peter is a circumlocution for the bishop of Rome. But further, from Boniface's Unam Sanctam, Rome gathers her two- swords theory of papal power: (1) the Roman pontiff wields the sword of canon law and papal decrees in absolute and direct power over the affairs of the Roman Church and her devotees; (2) in absolute and indirect power over the affairs of state through the state's rulers.

In the year 1870, to reinforce the bull Unam Sanctam, Rome declared infallible all previous and future decrees issued from Rome's papal throne (ex cathedra), including Boniface's Unam Sanctam. Since 1870, Rome has therefore attempted—albeit without a consensus among her scholars—to find a complete list of papal decrees. Though some Roman priests claim that Henry Denzinger's Enchiridion Symbolorum (1819) includes a complete list of Rome's ex cathedra decrees, the late John Gerstner disagrees. No such list, says Gerstner, has ever existed. Rome's canon law consists of selected legislative decretals of the various popes; in 1234 Gregory IX issued these as his personal legislation. This list, however, being only selective and omitting all decretals after the year 1234, qualifies not as a complete list of papal decrees. See generally Bender v. Williamsport Sch. Dist., 741 F.2d 538, 554 n.21 (3d Cir. 1984), citing Matthew 16:18 (rejecting a Christian student club's the claim that the First Amendment required a school to permit meetings during the school's regular scheduled activity period, the court noted that the club's name Petros has a Christian significance), vacated, 475 U.S.